BCE, CE, AD, BC. What do you all want-- a timeline with zero on it? Everyone agrees Jesus Christ is a good point to start at! Stop denying people of faith. Your world is dependent on us who have faith. doing what we do, good or bad, it's all we have, so stop trying to proselytize us to your stupidity. There's a difference between ignorance and stupidity. Figure it out.

Yes, I believe there is a commonality to us all. I would have thought those with strong religious backgrounds and beliefs would easily see that. Surely you see common bonds going back to biblical times, but do you still see them in Neolithic Humans who have just learned how to use tools and build simple structures?

This will never be resolved, BCE, CE, BC, AD, etc. But atheistic groups don't have to go around telling everyone that God or Jesus don't exist and never did. Similarly, Christian groups have the responsibility to hold back their opinions on "feeling sorry" for those who don't believe and cramming "god bless you's" or "Jesus loves you's" down everyone's throat. It's not your place or your right, and you're wrong.

"Forgetting God is not religion, but a spiritual bond-and Jesus is the most quoted prophet in the Koran..."

If you cannot accept science's role in the creation of existence, and in the governing of how we are able to travel through various planes of life, then how strong can your trust and belief of a higher power really be? I'm not religious, but I am spiritual, and I know well that God is not a magician. We were given intellect-and if you insist that we weren't, where did it come from? Evolution?

What is common era? Is there anything common to us all? Everybody has its own thing, so it's better for me to count the date from the perspective of before and after Jesus Christ came to earth. BC for before Christ and AD for year of my Lord Jesus Christ. Whether you like it or not, it happened. God bless.

I am going to start using BCE and CE. I am trying to eliminate the Christian faith from my life altogether. I can't believe anything that religion has spewed. I call "Christmas" Mas. It is not a big deal for me. I believe in evolution and natural selection. I cannot believe that we were created by some superior being. It is literally impossible.

So, using BCE and CE will be nice. This way, I don't have to feel like I'm giving all of the historical credit to the Christians.

Personally, I don't even believe Jesus existed.

And all the mega-Christians will say they "feel sorry" for me. Really, really?

I know I won't be "condemned to hell" in the afterlife. I don't have any worries sitting on my back. Thank you BCE and CE.

To add to or amend to my previous comment (regarding "AD" as After Death+"BC" as Before Christ Vs. BCE and CE...

There is one major bonus point. When typing, or when reading someone else's handwriting, it would be far easier to get BCE and CE mixed up by just losing the "B". Much harder to get AD confused with how BC looks.

Why is it that extreme religious types always feel the need to use every aspect of science, history, medicine, etc. to prove that God loves us all and that the path is through Jesus? Isn't God a "vengeful and wrathful god"?

Jesus was a peaceful prophet in many religions, condemned to a horrible death for sharing his beliefs. Leave it alone, and let people opine on their own about their faith and spiritual beliefs.

On to the date, BC AD we so common, because Christianity eventually morphed into a church that had to spread a finger into virtually every nook and corner of the globe. Thus, it became common for many to say BC as "before Christ", and AD "after death". But how is this so? BC became AD virtually and literally overnight. Just as the clock would now chime midnight.

Jesus didn't exist, and was promptly dead overnight?

BCE and CE are much easier to introduce into other cultures, who may not recognize Jesus as the sole path to God, i.e. many Buddhists. This doesn't change the need for historical records of what happened to "primitive" civilizations. We count the dates currently based on the orbit between the sun and earth. Basically, where the sun lies in the sky.

Ancient Egyptians also used the sun: Ra, the Sun God. They worshiped this god. Is it sacrilege that we still use this as our main means of (not only time), but on life itself? I'm curious about the religious sect's opinion here.

Not being argumentative. Where does the Bible stop, and physical science begin --and vice versa? Hope everyone's new year (2010 CE) turns out to be much better than the last. Happy trails all.

Perhaps bce really must be interpreted: before christ existed and ce means - christ exists!

I have never posted anything on the net, but I feel that there is a need to know the truth, as I see it in the Word of God, The Bible.

There is no doubt that the Lord Jesus died on the cross for our sins. And there is no doubt that the Lord God Almighty turned his back on his only begotten son, so that we may be saved from the Wrath of God.

Now whether you believe in God or not, that does not change the fact that He is real, He sent his Son to die for our sins (past, present, and future), and he will judge those who do not accept His Son as their Savior.

The wrath of God is coming, and unless you accept Christ, you will be damned to Hell for ever and ever and ever.

Now like I said, whether you believe it or not, it is true. Read Luke 16:19-31. Repent, I beg you all, call on the name of the Lord Jesus for mercy from the wrath of God.

BCE/CE what? When did this come out? doesn't matter. i will still say bc/ad. i will not say xmas. i will say Christmas. It's like they're trying too get rid of Jesus as a historical person, which he was.

People only question the bible; they don't question other historic documents/books. why the bible has proof for tons of stuff. i could give you some examples but it will not matter.

I am curious as to what signifies the end of BCE though. What event happened that suddenly declared "Oh hey we're now in the common era." Anyone got a link?

It is established beyond any question that human beings existed on earth at least six million years ago. Two thousand and four thousand years ago are relatively mere milliseconds in time of human existence. To quibble over a man-made vacuous subject about which no one (but no one) has ever known or ever will know is obviously fruitless.

Political correctness gone mad. Yet another example of language being sanitised.S oon it will be impossible to even use terminology like men and women in case we offend hermaphrodites.

I think you people are hilarious. It doesn't matter what you or I think. as long as your religious organizations have all that money and power it is going to be their way.

I don't know how we would change it anyhow, to be honest, we live or I live in a very capitalistic country and that money is not in my pocket. I don't make the laws and I don't get the almighty buck.

BCE stands for "Before the Common Era". "The fool", that's those of you who base your life on the teachings of a book -- a book written by another human being. duh. Show me actual living proof that christ exists, and I'll show you a virgin whore. I would give my life to see some proof of your savior's existence. Anyone can be a christian: child molesters, murderers, rapists, crooks, pimps, thieves, and complete morons who have no self knowledge are the ones who believe in christ! They are "good christians". You can be the most despicable human being on the planet, but if you believe in christ you are cool. It's just a cloak for screw ups. Instead of finding value in yourself and the world around you, you remain in your insecurity and "believe" that something other than yourself can save yourself. Ha Ha.

The most important fact that is not being addressed is the fact that the creator of the universe and His Son were never named "GOD or "Christ" or even "Lord" or "Jesus"! Their true names were revealed to us in the original texts of Scripture and the 10 Commands, all od which were given to us in Hebrew. Therefor the true names are pronounced Yahua (YHWH) and Yahusha. All of Scripture supports this and we can now see the evil control that Satan has on the sacred Names by changing them through the evil power of the Jesuits of the Catholic church.

It is a sad day when human kind no longer wants to give glory to God by merely acknowledging a period of time BC "before Christ" and AD- "Anno Domini-in the year of our Lord." One day, every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. Then many people will wish they not denied Him.

Well it seems to me that the prevalent view being expressed here is that everyone must adhere to the idea that the American way of defining time is of the most relevance. Surely the way of defining time should be the one that has been in existence the longest which would make the chinese calender the most relevant. It must also be pointed out that if we as a race believe in freedom of religion then the new system of defining dates (BCE, CE)is the most in line with this inalienable human right. There are a lot more religions in the world then Christianity and, I believe, 191 countries other then America. To say that we must define time due to the christian beliefs of one of the world's youngest countries which houses only 280 million of the world's population of 6 billion-plus is arrogant in the extreme, and is, as has been previously mentioned in other comments, rather offensive.

Funny. BCE. Before Christian Era. CE. Christian Era. Like it or not we date things by the birth of Christ. If we wish to change this system, then we need to change our start dates for the break between the ancient civilizations and the more modern, or perhaps have no break at all and date as if we know when the world began. Maybe we should toss all the dating conventions into a hat and choose one. Perhaps a return to the Roman AUD or after the founding of Rome? Maybe the Jewish calendar. The Buddhist. The Chinese. The Mayan, nope that ends in 2012. Silly season is coming our way. Just because you dislike a terminology does not mean that you are not in fact using a given date as your start date. Once you use that date; you can't or shouldn't pretend that you don't use it. Our 'Western Society' uses Christ's birth date as the start. And people who use facts for a living should know this. Why pretend otherwise?

I hope I'm not the only one who's thoroughly entertained by the fit that some people are having over this.

You people have it all wrong: "BCE" stands for "Before Communist Era" - since it is the communists who want to erase all religion from the earth.

Every year is a year God created, whether before or after the birth of Christ. AD and CE are pointless anyway.

No matter what, I'll still put Christ in it. BC=Before Christ; AD=Anno Domini; BCE=Before Christian Era; CE=Christian Era.

Nothing should change. AD/BC

Why change the terms which have effectively defined time for centuries? Are we afraid to refer to Christ in connection to history? God created time so good luck taking him out of the equation. By the way, make sure you have read the entire Bible before you call it just a book of stories passed down... God will change your life via the Bible, He did mine. This is His love story written for you. Please do not miss out on His great love!

BCE = Before Christ Existed...

Ha! Christianity still wins!

how can you convert:

bc into ad?

bce into ce?

ad into bce?

be into ce?

2009 is Anno Domini; the Christian way of counting the years.

2009 of Common Era is a fascist method of actually *forcing* other religions to adopt Christianity by using the "*common*" term!

Wow, I can't believe most of you people. Removing Christianity from the world? You've *got* to be kidding me!

If you want to be Christian, then be Christian and stop harassing other people and criticizing their religions. Who knows what is right. Are you saying that you know all that God knows?

The bigger point is this: is it killing anyone to refer to the 7th century AD as the 7th century CE? No. I can't believe that a change in recording historic dates is frustrating you all so much. It is quite obvious that most of you know nothing of history. If you did, your eyes would be much more open.

Our country is engulfed in the ways of close-minded Christians so this demonic change is nothing compared to what other religions have to face in the US.

The Bible teaches to love and respect. So if you really are Christian, respect others!

If the reason for removing the term AD/BC in historical dates is to respect other *religions* and cultures, then how does *before common era* show respect to *Muslims*!?

Rosh Hashanah is in honor of our Father God and is required by some. God Bless You, God Loves You.

According to Hunter Miller's notes, "the Barlow translation is at best a poor attempt at a paraphrase or summary of the sense of the Arabic" and "Article 11... does not exist at all."[15]

BCE has to do with anti-Christianity.

Anything that wants to remove respectful recognition of God, *is* *anti-Christianity*, and leaves our children with less and less examples of "it is the right thing to do", by our country.

We are to teach others about God. Not throw God out the window for someone else's god.

I just received a book published 2009 The Art of Being Human for a humanities class and they use B.C.E. Americans and/or Christians need to start thinking globally instead of as the one almighty. We don't use a Buddhist calendar, or the Chinese, or the Muslem's.

Thanks for the explanation pertaining to the difference. I am doing research that deals with thousands of years of history and some researchers use bc/ad while others use bce/ce. This provided very clear and useful information for me. I can make up my own mind as to which I prefer to us when writing my dissertation.

The Bible says that the love of money, not money itself, is the root of all evil. "For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows." (1 Tim. 6:10) It is appropriate to have "In God We Trust" on our money to show that the Lord is the source of all our liberty and prosperity. As for Christians forcing things on others -- if people don't like the person whose birthday is being celebrated, they don't need to eat his cake and open his presents. As for being offended by Christians, who pray in public, why are they offended? Is it because they are ungrateful to the One who has shown them everlasting kindness and are uncomfortable to see others thanking the Lord for all he does for them? If they are so offended at the Lord, they should stop walking on his planet, eating his food, and breathing his air.

Being "offended" at the Lord is a disease that

likes to hide under the guise of "tolerance." Ingratitude is ingratitude. Nobody likes to keep giving things to those who are unthankful, and neither does the Lord. Those who truly honor the Lord are the ones who are allowing his blessings to come upon this nation. "And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me." (Matt. 11:6)

I don't understand why everyone, Christian Claimants, feel the need to force their beliefs and views of Christianity on the world. As a Christian myself, I am aware that God and God alone is the one to judge. No one here knows who or what is correct and right as you were not around during the times of Jesus to know. All you have is a basis from a book, The Bible, which has been translated so many times, who knows what the true Bible really says. Doesn't common sense and history tell you that stories are passed down through time and everyone is guilty of adding and taking away from what was originally intended to be the main focus. The main focus being, believe in God the Creator of all, believe that God sent his only Son to teach his good word and die for our sins in which all one needs is to have faith and believe that this happened. America has fallen so far away from the basic principles of God's word which are the 10 Commandments and which in essence say "be a good person, treat *everyone* as you would want to be treated, Love *everyone* regardless of their shortcomings.....Take a moment and sit back, think about America "The Great" and think about how far from God we've fallen...Everything this country stands for is Evil, Money, Greed; Everything has to be bigger and better than everyone else. Do you really think God is happy about us being this way? Do you really think God is happy about putting his name on money which is the root of all evil according to the Bible? Before anyone can comment or complain on the simple meaning of initials, AD/BC - CE/BCE, sit and think about what your place is in God's greater scheme of things and what you can do to better yourself and not focus so much on the minute speckle of dust that you are in this huge universe of God's creation. I think that a lot of people have a huge misunderstanding of the word and meaning of Christianity and need to read a little more before knocking anyone else's faith and beliefs. Realize *you* and *you* alone answer for your own sins, not Me answering for yours and you for mine. I know where my place is in this world and where my place is with God, Do you truly know yours?

Psalm 14:1 "The fool hath said in his heart 'there is no God'". Yes folks, this IS yet another attempt to remove God and Jesus Christ from our world dialog. I just have one question for my fellow Christians--How come the only voices that are heard today are the voices of those who are anti-God, anti-decency, anti-freedom, and anti-America? Why are we allowing our beliefs to be gradually eliminated while a small yet vocal minority continues to successfully remove all that is good, pure, and decent and replace them with perversion, lies, hatred, and fascism. Jesus Christ came to save all mankind from Hell. How can you hate and be against someone who loved you enough that he sent his only son to die for you? (John 3:16) These people who say that the system of BCE/CE is not anti-Christ are either drinking the kool-aid, clueless, or they are outright liars themselves. In an effort to "not offend anyone," we are selling our souls to Satan.

I find it interesting that every time a scientist tries to prove there is no God, he/she always ends up proving the existence of God!

In short it is George Orwell 1984 and NWO.

Next will be Fahrenheit 451.

Then Animal Farm

Then Soylent Green

Finally Planet of Ape's

As documented in the Old and New Testament, the end will be AD. Thy Will Be Done....

I just have to say that the Declaration of Independence clearly states: "And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor." Note that the founding fathers are RELYING on the protection of God. This is not the statement of someone who thinks God will not act on his behalf. Not only did the founding fathers of this nation believe in God (who is Jesus Christ), but they relied on his help to rescue them out of the hand of the oppressor, just as the Israelites relied on him to deliver them from the Egyptians. Let me ask you ... England was the power of the day. How then, did the Americans gain the victory? It was through the divine providence of their God, Jesus Christ, in answer to their prayers. It is supremely ungrateful to accept the Lord's help and then turn your back on him after he has delivered you. All those who claim this is not a Christian nation are despising their deliverer who granted them liberty and justice.

I find it frustrating how misunderstood the founding of our country is today. The founding fathers took special care to NOT make the U.S. a "Christian" nation. Most of the founders were deists, in that they believed the universe had a creator, but one that does not concern himself with the daily lives of humans and does not directly intervene in human affairs (creator is essentially nature). In the 1796 treaty w/ Triploi, Article 11 clearly states the the U.S. is " is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion". This was written under Washington and signed under Adams. The U.S. was founded to be friendly and open to ALL religions and even those who (GASP) chose to not believe in a supernatural being.

Pure and simple: BC Means--before Christ-no matter how you want to delude it --!!! Only those who are afraid of a higher being (Jesus Christ) are the ones who can not except that they can not save themselves. Only Jesus Christ gave his life for their misguided ways! DJG

OK, so now when I see a piece of art work dated 250 BCE, I can just assume they mean 250 Before Christ. Or if an event in history happened in 1500 AD, I and assume this was after Christ's death. I'll still refer to Christ regardless since I'm not offended by his existence.

I don't care either way if it is about removing Christ or not. To me, its just confusing. I had to look this up online right now because my Early World Civilizations class uses a book that has the newer BCE/CE in it and I was getting confused. Further more, if you are gonna change something, then change it. This darn book is using both BCE and BC on the same page. And not just once, a bunch of times in just the Preface of the book alone. I can't imagine how confused I'm gonna get with dates now.

anon17239 for your info you dont get days off for rosh hashanah christmas break was changed to winter break for obvious reasons mainly being there are more than christmas during this time. america was not founded on christian beliefs we are entitled to our own religion and if were worried about offending other religions than why pick rosh hashanah?

I absolutely feel that this is simply another way to remove Christianity from the playing field. I just came back from a trip to Washington D.C. and got to see for my own eyes that our founding fathers were Christians! "We are endowed by our CREATOR with certain inalienable rights..."(The Declaration of Independence) "GOD who gave us life gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of GOD? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that GOD is just. That his justice cannot sleep forever."(Inside the Thomas Jefferson Memorial) "Almighty GOD hath created...[he is] the holy author of our religion..." (Inside the Thomas Jefferson Memorial) America has been very blessed by God in our short period of existence but one has only to look at history to know the future of a country who forsakes God. The bible states that "...when the righteous are in power the people rejoice but when the wicked rule the people mourn." As Christians we need to make our voices heard in this election year! Just as Esther, we have been placed here for such a time as this!

In the Koran, Christ IS recognized as one of the prophets.

No need to get so worked up about the CE/BCE system, it wasn't some new invention from White Americans, it was invented "Several centuries after the AD/BC identification of historical dates became popular, a new movement developed among scientists, historians and some religious leaders."

This really is just yet another way to remove Christianity from plain view in this country, isn't it? I didn't encounter this "B.C.E." thing until my Humanities class yesterday, and it made me sick. But not surprised, sadly. This country was founded on Christian beliefs and now we are trying to erase any signs of it. I wish it wasn't happening, but it is. Slowly, but surely. God has blessed America. It's time for America to bless God now.

i believe the term BCE is just another way to omit Christ in society. i first encountered this abbreviation in my childs public school planner, i had to "google" it in order to find out the definition of it. we can celebrate Rosh Hashanah, and call it just that, however Christmas break is now "winter break" and Before Christ is Before Common Era. as Americans we are always worried about offending other religions when this country was founded on Christian beliefs.

Changing the classification of dates still does *not* change the fact that they are measured by the birth of Christ. So why is it a good idea to call it something other than what it really is?

Why would anyone get offended by suffixes after a date? The only people I've ever heard complain about them are white Americans. Haven't really heard any Jews, Muslims or any other ethnic/religious groups get so defensive.

I do believe this is another way to reduce the Christian influence and put all the religions on the same plain. If we have used BC/AD since the Middle Ages, why the need to change it now?? I hear it a lot on the History channel and it really "bugs" me. Christ was and is a central religious figure as well as Mohammed, and the others. If we recognize them why can't they recognize Christ???

Ah, this isn't new you know. It's been around since the 1600s. Someone just wants some press.

It absolutely has everything to do with taking Christianity out of everything. The world wants to accept everyone so badly that they are willing to shove Christianity down the drain to do so. Thereby doing the exact opposite of what they claim to want. Bottom line, they need to get Saved.

Do you think that the change to BCE has to do with the wave of anti-Christianity that seems to be sweeping the American media and American academia?