A petit mal is a type of seizure that occurs most often in those younger than 20. The petit mal seizure is characterized by an abrupt but brief interruption in consciousness, accompanied by small jerks of the hands or facial muscles. Because of the lack of awareness patients with this type of seizure experience, a petit mal is sometimes called an absence seizure.
Symptoms of petit mal seizures can be hard to observe because the seizures themselves are so brief - often only a few seconds. The patient will often appear simply to be staring into space. Some more outward indications of a petit mal typically include smacking of the lips or chewing, hand movements, and fluttering eyelids. During this time, the patient will have no awareness of his or her surroundings and will be unable to continue conscious activity such as movement or talking. Atypical symptoms can include slumping or falling, with a more gradual onset and recovery than a typical petit mal.
Full recovery is practically instantaneous; however, the victim has no memory of the episode. Because petit mals are so brief and their symptoms can be subtle, their first indication in a child may be unexplained difficulties in school or an inability to focus. Sufferers of petit mal seizures are sometimes incorrectly diagnosed with learning disabilities.
The disturbance in brain function that indicates a petit mal is caused by abnormal electrical activity in the brain. Brain cells produce electrical discharges during waking and sleeping. If these discharges fall out of synchronization, a seizure occurs. However, it is usually hard to diagnose the cause of this abnormal brain activity. Some known causes include disturbances of the metabolism, such as kidney or liver disease; low levels of sodium, magnesium, or calcium; previous brain trauma; birth defects in the brain; and heredity.
If one observes a petit mal for the first time or if the seizures appear to last longer than two minutes, one should seek medical attention. A doctor may take a blood test to look for a chemical imbalance, take a magnetic resonance image or MRI to rule out brain disorders, or use electroencephalography (EEG) to measure the brain's electrical activity under stimulation, such as a light being flashed in the eyes. Anticonvulsant medications can be prescribed by a physician to reduce or eliminate petit mal seizures. Petit mal seizures are most common in children, many of whom outgrow them and are able to discontinue medication as they reach adulthood. A small percentage of petit mal sufferers progress to epilepsy, but most are able to live with few restrictions, such as avoiding driving or strenuous physical activity.
My son is 7 1/2 months old and three days ago i noticed that he would all of a sudden "disappear" on me. One minute he is happy and playing. The next, his head drops to the side, his eyes flutter and he has a blank look on his face like he is really thinking hard about something. Then, within seconds, he comes good, not even concerned about what just happened. Since i noticed this happening i am really keeping an eye on hi. yesterday he did this at least ten times. Today it is four so far. My doctor had given us a referral to get an eeg. What can i do to help him? Are there any other cases of babies this young having petit mals?
- anon51874
24
I have been having petit mal seizures since I was a little girl. It took a long time to get the diagnosis as epilepsy because when I have a seizure it's a crazy feeling of deja vu, like everything that is happening around me I dreamt the night before and I know what is going to happen right before it happens. It is really scary and I will generally say something completely off beat and people look at me like I am crazy! I can keep full control of myself but I feel like I have stepped into a different dimension! And I continue to feel that way for weeks afterwards, like I'm just going through the motions of my life, but it's not really mine. I will lose all my short term memory for the time period surrounding the episode. I went off my tegretol when I was pregnant with my son and have not taken it since without any problems. I hopefully just outgrew it and pray it does not return. My father had undiagnosed epilepsy and had horrible seizures due to his drinking problem.
- anon47686
23
My son has petit mal seizures. He was diagnosed at the age of three which i had to convince his doctor that he was having some sort of seizures. my then 15 year old daughter came to me complaining about him rolling his eyes at her and it was making her mad so when i saw him do it a few minutes later, i immediately knew something was wrong. Perhaps when babies roll their eyes back and we say "the angels are talking to them" maybe they're having seizures! Well my son is now 14 and is on Zarontin and has been for 6 years. The tegretol and one that was sprinkles and they made his learning a disability and the Doctor tried telling me he was ADD. The medication is ADD. my son is A/B Honor Roll and plays football and baseball, never suspended from school, never in a fight. Very nice kid always looking out for others, very godly. talkative but what child isn't? the seizures have gone from 7-10 seconds long all throughout the day to 1-3 seconds only during his sleep. I pray he grows out of them soon. He takes the Zarontin 2x a day 500 mg. I hope this helps someone and parents must really pay attention to their children early on. These seizures didn't just start in most kids at 14/21/18 and 10. come on parents, this was going on and we didn't question it. Well let me tell you, one day my son was diagnosed with seizures and the next day my 17 year old son was diagnosed with testicular cancer. go figure. God is good but the was cleared in 6 months
- anon47187
22
I had my first petit mal seizure when i was about 11 years old, some days before my first period came. I was experiencing a loss of consciousness and staring for some seconds but i could always recall what had happened after the seizure had come to an end. My neurologist at that time was supporting that my seizures would stop in a couple of years and i was subscribed tegretol 400. My daily seizures soon came to an end but unfortunately at the age of 14 nocturnal episodes started (usually during my deep sleep) accompanied most of the times by loss of urine. Nowadays i am 29 years of age and the nocturnal urination is a great problem for me. I would like to know about the reasons of the nocturnal loss of urine and the case of its total cure. Thank you
- evi
20
My 5 year old daughter has had petit mal seizures since she was born. Before I knew what they were, I was very scared and didn't know what to do. She would be doing something and right in the middle of whatever it was, she was just stop...and daze out. Sometimes her eyes would flutter back. But in seconds, she was back to normal and had no recollection of what happened.
One day, I asked my mom about it and she told me that I did the same thing but I grew out of it! Also, that she did the same thing too when she was little.
Later, I found out that Petit Mal can be hereditary.
I am just hoping she grows out of it sooner than later.
- anon40267
19
I am a 54 year old white female. I have had numerous head and brain truama since age 6 and took dialatin for over a year after another serious head injury at 11. I have had numerous others and spent 5 months hospitalized at age 33 for my pregnancy with every known conceivable complication. I am RH negative. My son has had numerous head injuries and we both barely survived at his birth from blood loss (hemhorraging). I had severe post partum depression and psychosis and was later diagnosed as bi-polar. I have had four major seizures as an adult and my son was diagnosed as ADD at age 10 or eleven. I still have petit mal moments (staring). Could we be mis-diagnosed and both be eptileptic. I have had and do have several family members with epilepsy and I have taken tegretol also.
- anon39044
18
I am a 39 year old woman who tried to over dose on benadryl a year and a month ago. I just had my first seizure and was wondering if my overdose is the cause of my seizure? I got really dizzy and knew I was getting ready to pass out because I started seeing black and then I don't remember anything after that. My mother said I hit the floor hard and started turning blue around the mouth and foaming at the mouth. I hit the back of my head really hard and my tailbone. The MRI and blood work all came back negative. Is this a petit mal seizure and will I most likely continue to have them from now on?
- anon38946
17
my first petite mal was at two. i'm now 39 and i get them every five years.
- anon38513
16
hi my girl is 18 and she has had 3 petit seizures and they dont know whats causing them. she has to go in the hospatial in rochester for 7 to 10 days. they are going to take her off her meds and just watch her. she is kind of scared because she thinks they will find something and we said if they do they will take care of it.
- anon36114
15
i first noticed my symptoms like a year ago when i was 14 or 13 and i got up and went to go to the toilet and i just fell to the floor on my hands and knees, shaking and i couldn't hear or see anything and i thought i was dead. i was like that for a few seconds.
at school recently i've been spacing out and not hearing or seeing anything and i get fluttering in my eyes and hands. i'm getting checked out at the hospital.
- anon34561
14
My 14 year old son has just been diagnosed with petite mal, and has been prescribed Epilim 500, and after reading the list of possible side effects, I'm not sure if I want him to take the medication, or seek a safe (safer) alternative.
I have known my son went absent for many years, but as he is rather bright, I always assumed he had a train of thought and was just thinking intently about a problem he wanted to solve or overcome. It's only recently he has admitted to me he went blank and has no idea where he goes, whereas when he was younger, because he didn't realize himself, he was happy to just let me believe he had just had a thought.
Whenever my son comes out of it he is always aware he has just gone blank, and he gets so apologetic for it, especially when he is pouring a glass of drink and more ends up on the floor than the glass can possibly hold. I keep trying to assure him that there is absolutely no reason to apologize for what happens, and regardless of what may ensue during his blank I remain calm and never get annoyed with him.
As I'm only new to this situation (the cause,not the condition), I must say I was very impressed to find this site and comforted to read about the situations of others, and I now know I'm not alone with this.
I wish the best for all those who are afflicted with this problem.
Thanks!
- NewHere
13
I was diagnosed petite mal at the age of 8. My parents noticed my first seizure when I was 7. I was under a medical supervision (twice a year) until the age of 16 (without any seizures). Being properly treated I did not experienc any more seizures until the age of 22 (without any medications between 16 and 22).
At the age of 21 I was living in a very stressful environment. Since then (age of 22) I am again using different medications (carbamazepine). Seizures did not disappear with it, but since then the seizures (3–5 seconds long) appear only after the period in which I have been subjected to stressful conditions – only then! Good thing concerning such a short seizures is that I can always regain consciousness very fast, and from the people in my environment it is usually considered as a sudden fall of the blood pressure or a headache.
About a year ago I was living in an extremely stressful environment. Since then my condition has worsened. The duration of the seizures is longer and they do not appear as it was previously described. Now I am 38.
Due to the seizures I do not drive a car and I do not drink alcohol. Everything else in my life is as it should be.
I am professor at university and a big fighter. I believe that soon the seizures will be controllable again.
- anon32874
12
i just found out today that i have petit mal. in first grade i remember my teacher was reading a book, and i just went into a stare, and then i fainted. it only lasted about 30 seconds.
about 5 years later it happened again.
i'm 15 now. when i have these minor seizures everything just gets black and i have no clue about my surroundings and when it stops its like nothing ever happened.
- anon26007
11
hi im 19 years old and i was diagnosed petit mal when i was 7, all that happened was that i suddenly lost my consciousness for a couple of minutes and thats it i had to take medications for 2 years and then everything was fixed. unfortunately about 2 or 3 years ago everything came back but worst know i get convulsions when i go to sleep, i wet the bed y say things with no sense its so humiliating, i started taking the same pills that i took when i was little but things seem only to get worst this past few days i've been having this extreme convulsions when im awake and the most painful one was at my aunt's house at A PARTY i went to her room to watch tv with my little cousin and the next thing i know im almost at my house in a car!! everyone told me that suddenly i went to the living room were everyone was started acting like a crazy person saying stupid stuff and then moving my hands everywhere i was having a convulsion if it werent for my mom i would've fell and broken my head off. everyone was so freakin scared she was the only one who knew what to do... i wanna know is this ever stop? am i gonna have a normal life when people dont have to treat me like a child or is it just gonna get worst?
- anon22813
10
I had a seizure when I was 10 years old (my first seizure). I did not know what it was at the moment, I felt that I was shaking and I could not stop. I was in the car while my parents were driving and my cousin was sleeping next to me. I just grabbed a big ball that was next to me and I try to fall sleep. Then when I woke up and I was in the hospital with fever. I started taking medication depakote. I never knew what type of seizure or epilepsy I have. The doctors just said I had epilepsy. I continue having seizures, but I could know when they were coming sometimes. And usually my eyes will roll back involuntarily when I was nervous (mostly) or whenever. A seizure that I still remember happened when I was probably 11 or 12. My arm started shaking and I could not control it, I try to stop it with my other hand, my head also started shaking with to one side (right), my mom stop my arm with her hand and she hug me and I felt better, but then I could not breath and my parents put me in the floor or I fell and I was still shaking, I felt that I almost die; it was horrible. Until last week I was proud of not having seizures (for almost 9 years. I am taking Kepra now, the doctor changed it because he said it was but for my bones. However, last week I had a seizure at college in the computer lab, I did not even notice and I did not feel it coming. I was surprised that a lot of people was around me and I was seating in another seat. They said I fell of the chair while I was having a seizure; I do not know how long it was. I think I had that seizure because I used to take my pills at any time in the morning or at night and sometimes I forgot to take them and I was a little stressed too with homework and exams. I am 22 now and I am from Ecuador.
- anon21854
9
I have had what seems to be petite mal seizures ever since I was a baby (I am now 25). The last time I had one was just barely over 2 years ago, but I always wonder when the next one will be.
Over the course of my life, I've had around 10 or more. One of the ones that really stands out in my mind is when I was 8 months pregnant with my son. (he is now 2). I woke up laying in bed and I was shaking and I remember trying to talk to my husband but I couldn't get words to come out of my mouth. I don't know if that was a petite mal or grand mal or what but it was pretty freaky to me at the time. Doctors say I may have a type of arrhythmia. Soon as I can I want to get it checked out.
- anon20387
8
Anon2773, I experience/experienced what your daughter did. I took epilim for a couple of years then at the age of 13 it cleared up and i was almost 100% better. I am 15 now and about half a year ago the petit mal came back. I've always called them 'dazes'! anyway, I'm doing exams fairly soon and really hope that either the episodes go away or I'll have to go back on medication.
ANON494, did u ever take medication? How often do they occur, isn't it hard to cope?
- anon15766
7
i have petit mal, i may have had it for several years but i have never noticed it before my parents had no idea because it was so sudden, my french teacher saw me have it when i was saying a speech, i am 14 years old in june and i am on medication, it was because of her that i am getting better, I hope.
- anon12095
6
I was diagnosed as a petit mal sufferer from the age of about 8 to about 13 - I was on tegratol. Havent had episodes for years now but the last few years i've noticed that when I am run down or stressed or have not enough sleep, that I suffer with the same type of feelings I had as a child. Tingling sensation in the tongue & mouth, almost feeling like I cannot talk properly, dazed and vacant feeling and very fatigued. I wonder whether it is something that can reoccur again due to certain stresses? does anyone know as its worrying me again.
- Ls01
5
After reading this article about Petit Mal, I believe that my 9 month son had one of these seizure. It lasted a couple seconds in which his eyes rolled back and flickered a bit. Hopefully, it won't happen again. If it does than I'll have to seek medical help.
- anon6667
4
I had my first one at 16, then again at 19 and just now at 20. I guess mine is Atypical symptoms, I get nauseous, dizzy, then slump to the ground. I the dizziness takes a few minutes to go away.
Mine seems to be genetic and is caused by a drop in blood sugar. My cousin used to have them but has outgrown them, she ate protein often and it helped prevent them.
- anon5230
3
I have an 8 year old daughter who has petite mal and has been on epillin for 3 years. Her symptoms were so slight that even though she might zone out she would continue walking or still hold onto what she had in her hand etc, she would just not be there. She would come out of it and not even know what had happened. Not really that scary but the epillin stopped them completely. We are now starting to reduce her dosage epillin which you can't just stop taking. There does not seem to be any side effects from her taking epillin which is great. Fingers crossed they don't reoccur and that Petite Mal can be a childhood illness.
- anon2773
2
My 6 year old has been having very brief seizures almost from birth. He calls them "the shakes". They never last for longer than maybe a second.
He's scheduled to do an EEG later today. From what I'm reading hear, it sounds like it could be Petite Mal. I'm hoping it is.
- digitalv
1
i am one of the ones that don't stop having petit mal seizures in childhood. i have had them since i was a kid and still have the i am now 27 yrs old.