God I love listening to my generation gripe about the boomers.

I personally am dead tired of the boomers. Could they take the Beatles, Haight-Ashbury, hippie stories and stick them up their butts already? I was born in 71 and can't take the fact that the boomers won't seem to retire anytime soon. Like really. Their parents retired when they were the age the boomers are now.

As for civil rights and such changes, boomers did not make those changes. Their parents did. Was it not Kennedy and Johnson who signed such laws and bills? Not boomers.

The boomers were out having it all during the time I was growing up. They had to sock money away, own everything. (so much for those hippie ideals, huh?) They pretty much left us home alone to do as we wanted. Was it not the boomers who elected the likes of Nixon and Reagan? What a grand choice of people to run the show. Should I mention the first George Bush?

I see the earlier part of the boomers retired. They are the people driving around the country in large house-size motor homes. (there are those hippie ideals creeping in again) The boomers have got to be the greediest generation I can think of.

As for me having that same motor home and cash stashed away like boomers, doubtful. I suspect as I always have,when I get to retire, I will have but a few years left because I will have to keep working past 65. I also think old age pensions will be empty from the boomers.

The summer of love! Yeah I heard in school all about AIDS. Crack was the drug of the day, not marijuana. I came home alone as I left the same in the morning. I did not have one parent at home as my boomer parents did.

I want to thank 'X girl' for putting it so perfectly for the rest of us.

I am sure I will have more to say on this later. Right now I just found some hidden anger that I had no idea I could vent, until I came here.

Edit: (1987 girl here)....gun-shy? Oh '87 must definitely be a gen-x sub-group.

I honestly feel like a Gen-Xer, though I was born in '87 so everyone has this notion that I'm a spoiled, bratty college student that knows everything about technology and works her tail off. Totally not true.

In fact, divorce rates were extremely high with my parents being an example, I hate cell phones, and most people born after 1990 are starting to have children, barely graduating high school (Gen-Y is the echo boom, correct?).

Sometimes I wonder if, up until 1987 or '88, there was a Generation X sub-group.

Generation X-perience. According to the description of the Gen-X period I am an older X-er, darn near the oldest.

Other articles have a few more years preceding me. One thing I do notice about the period of time in which I have been living is the amount of social,

technological, and medical transition that has occurred. I have read a mix of this in these posts.

My generation has X-perienced the transition of the whole human existence from being separated by time and space to highly communicative. We've seen what the excesses of our own generation can cause to our own future financial, physical, emotional, and environmental health. We became our own guinea pigs and I believe we are feeling every decision of our lives and the decisions of our peers.

Unfortunately the younger Gen-Xers are feeling the repercussions of what their elder peers have done.

Generation X-perience. Being an older gen-Xer I have noticed we are the generation of social, technological, medical and cultural transformation. Not only have we lived through and assisted the changes we have also experienced first-hand the moral, physical, mental, emotional, and environmental repercussions of our actions.

Unfortunately the younger Gen-Xers have more than felt the result of our decisions and may have led to the gun-shy Generation Y that has been spoken of in this post.

Born in 63, where does that put me? Maybe a tweener. I'm proud of my accomplishments, my children's and my grandchildren. Is it not more in the way we raise our children than to allow them to follow others to define themselves. There are those in every generation that have learned how to say no to themselves and more importantly to their children.

@anon58889: Your post shows how self-absorbed most boomers are. You just had your generation take credit for pretty much everything that ever happened.

Not so fast, Chico.

The generation that came before yours - the Silent Generation - led to the boomers, and the generation before that, led to them, and on and on and on. Each generation gives rise to the next. Get your facts straight. And Gen X is taking the results of boomers' efforts and augmenting it, making it better, and actually implementing it.

And Gen Y will do the same for Gen X. It's the propagation of the species, the culture, the tech, etc. Everyone has something to contribute.

Boomers are not single handedly responsible for changing the world in every facet. They may be responsible for screwing it up so badly (rampant consumerism and the inability to accept climate change as real) that subsequent generations will pay dearly for centuries, but that's also just a matter of opinion and debate.

Baby boomers sucked this country dry. Xers have no choice but to rent when their boomer counterparts lived in homes at the same age. I think for us it's a good lesson in greed reduction, however unfair it may appear. Boomers talk way to much, saying too little, and love celebrating themselves. Retire already!

I think we boomers were the very first generation to respect our kids. No really. And to view our kids as peers (talking 'sense' to our kids instead of beating it into them ... as my parents did to me).

However, we may have been wrong. There is something to be said for good old-fashioned discipline. Certainly children are not peers to their parents. There is a need for hierarchy; child-rearing is not a democracy!

As you Gen-Xers and Gen-Yers will soon find out with your own kids. Lolol.

I also agree with about how children used to be viewed as the property of their parents. This goes back thousands of years.

In ancient China parents actually used children to pay off a debt. I'm a boomer and my own parents viewed me and my brothers that way. It comes from a time when people had kids for economic purposes; more hands meant more work, more profits.

There's a funny line from an old Bill Cosby album (yes, vinyl, '33'!), where he talks about his tough Dad, who growled angrily to Bill: "I brought you into this world, Son, and I can take you out of it" --- that really says it all.

It is a good point in trying to view generations from your given point on a time-line, looking ahead or looking back. I never thought of how someone born in 1900 would have viewed their own children, who went to war in 1940; yes you are probably right: they would have thought of them as a bunch of lazy hooligans.

Until, of course, they started dying in Germany.

Sad how that happens. Respect only coming out of sacrifice. Why can't we just respect our younger generations for who they are, as they are? I don't know, I guess we boomers are just as guilty.

I'll give you an example of how wrong you are. You state that our younger siblings: "inherited a world from them dominated by selfishness, drugs, AIDS and" A-ha, caught you -- AIDS? That was the 80s, not the 60s! Right there you've proved you don't even know the facts. And if you don't know those facts, you likely don't know a lot of other facts. And if you don't know other facts, all your arguments against boomers are false and can be dismissed.

One other point: MLK not a boomer? So what, who do you think brought about his change? Us boomers! MLK needed us boomers to convince the "Establishment" (who were MLK's peers) of the need for the civil rights movement, and its subsequent impacts. And in exactly the same way, we boomers pressured our government to end the Vietnam war, not our parents.

You are so wrong to give credit to our parents; they could've care less about ending the war. After all, they made money from it.

It was us boomers who were tired of having our brothers and friends die overseas, while our parents watched it on the TV news.

People like that expect every task to be precisely laid out for them, nice and easy to follow.

Unless life can be compartmentalized like C++ code, Gen-Xers either get completely confused, or just give up and go back to their video games.

And, they are an entitled, selfish generation of lackeys. It is we boomers who invented everything you see surrounding you, everything you take for granted. You did zilch; we did everything.

Thank you and have a very nice day.

Gen x will have a tremendous advantage pretty soon. As the boomers die off, because x is so small in numbers and, because x are the people who really do all the hard work, there is going to be a labor shortage at a time when tons of work needs to be done.

The days of overbloated middle management and the Peter principle are over and x will be writing their own tickets. X is harder working, more efficient, and more independent and talented than the Boomers ever were and they know that.

That is why they started the slacker stereotype and kicked us down all those years. We were a major threat to their monopoly on the system and so they kept us down. We couldn't change anything because we didn't have the votes due to our small size.

The revenge of gen X is on the way and the election of Obama marks the start of it.

Still an interesting thread. I'm the 79 born x-er that posted #23.

Just checked back and surprised to see more comments along the same lines.

I was wondering if Generation X needs to be subdivided. Even among the successful youngest X-ers, I detect an anger that something has gone unacknowledged.

And I see it seconded that the Y's in general are lacking the rebellious spirit that was the hallmark of all gen x.

I wonder if there is something that sets apart the end of gen x from older x-ers?

I mean, we were too young to be part of real punk rebellion. And, I do believe that our age of rebellion, basically the Bush years, was doomed to failure. And now we watch the world waking up to what we maybe have felt for a long while.

We were whiners that couldn't pick careers or something, so they say, but did we know something?

Maybe it's just me, now 30, and feeling like crap, my whole life has been a midlife crisis and mass confusion, and now this is what the terrain looks like?

Any advice on other sites I should visit, would be appreciated. Greg79x

- anon54394: I was born in 1979 also and i notice the same things you do. there is definitely a huge difference between me and people born just a couple years later. i think gen y are all really bright kids but they are too obedient and ready to accept authority and too willing to compromise all the time.

What kills me is that Gen X many of my friends and family who were left alone to fend for our self, and made into little adults before we could drive, did not get anything in return.

We Xers are taking care of the boomers and trying to talk some sense into Gen Y. I call this generation the spoiled, get everything generation. Where the hell was the sympathy for us? where was all the love and child protection services?

Many people say we Xers are ungrateful whiners. How? when we did not cry when we were left alone. we sucked it up and went with the punches. We Xers are quite and independent we don't need a high position to define us.

The boomers say we are unemotional to human needs. Well guess what? I was independent all my life and yes I don't need anyone. How can you trust the older generation that constantly lies to us all the time! --Taylor

I am Gen X and I was a latchkey kid strictly because my parents worked. I learned just about everything on my own. I am assertive, technology literate, independent and overly educated in a way no one could understand.

I do get bored at jobs easily and I like to be in control of my life in every way. An award does not get me excited, I don't agree with everyone, I dont trust the government, I have excelled in numerous organizations, I am distant from the baby boomers because they preach religion too much.

I think people should be held accountable for all of their actions, no one should get off scot- free, I have the "if I can do it so can you" attitude. I am proud to be an Xer. I grew up during the birth of technology, thank goodness.

Interesting thread here.

I am an x-er, and I've thought a lot about it because I was born in 1979, at the tail end. But I held off going to college for a few years, and then went and was surrounded by kids just a few years younger than me, and they actually were very different. The Y's as you call them.

I came to think the most major difference at that time, which was 99 to 03, was that these kids didn't get a big dose of the cold war. They were too young. they didn't grow up with any of that anxiety. Like playing video games where you had to shoot down soviet ICBMs when they were just like 11 years old. They don't remember Reagan, or the wall coming down, or Mikhail Gorbachev(sp?).

The Y's also are totally digital. Like I was just old enough to have learned to develop film and video edit on vcr decks. A few years later that was all passe. It was generation Y kids who had e-mail before me as well. They showed me how at college in 99.

It's strange to think that these kids just a couple years younger than me could have such a different world view. Maybe anybody else has noticed?

As for the Boomers, I think the real rebels of the 60's were cool. That was always what the xers were trying to contend with. How to rebel in a way that could match that -- it was impossible.

The thing is the Boomers were a huge generation, and most of them that really kicked down in the late 60's became burnouts. And all the ones that never got hip and held a grudge against the hippies just slowly came to power over the years. Like W. Bush, he was a boomer who was totally not a hippie.

Anyway I think that Generation Y is too brainwashed about the positivity of capitalism and that things will be all right without rebellion. although the majority of Iraq veterans will be Y's.

I think older Gen. X-ers did their part and lived it up in the 90's.

But this tail end of Gen. X and the first years of Gen. Y is the generation that maybe really lost out because there should have been more of a rebellion during the Bush years, but it was squashed.

Gen. X-ers like me who protested and went out on a limb have a hidden story to tell. And it's becoming clear that we are continuing to live in a split nation that needed a mass youth rebellion during the Bush years to scare the country back onto the right path.

@anon52842 : Keep in mind that a 'generation' is a demographic term, not a mathematical one. As such, there's no set rule about how many years are in a generation, nor is there any rule that says different generations must have the same number of years. It is just a tool used by demographers to group people that they think have similar characteristics.

I'd also like to say that it usually seems to be the case that we regard generations further back with more reverence and the generations following us with disdain. Example, Tom Brokaw once called the generation of young men who fought WWII as "The Greatest" generation. But can you imagine what someone born in 1900 would have said about them around 1940?

Just a bunch of lazy, unmotivated, undisciplined bunch of hooligans! The more things change the more they stay the same.

I am a Gen X'er and son of the Silent Generation (1925 - 1945). I wonder if part of our disaffection can be attributed to the way children are raised.

In our time, children were the virtual property of parents, and it was accepted that you could discipline your child however you saw fit. No one would question you if you hit your child in public.

Now, you can bet 10 people will call child welfare services on you. Yes, now the boomers' children (Gen Y) and our children (Gen Z) are just entitled to everything, aren't they?

I'd like to set the record straight for everyone - If the Baby Boomers were born from 1955-1964, wouldn't Generation Xer's be born between 1965 and 1984? That would mean that Generation Y people were born between 1985 and 2004.

Since when would generations "shrink"? Some people say Gen Xer's are from 1965- mid 70's. That doesn't make sense to me. I don't give a crap what one generation says about the other - I just want the math straight.

Yes, I am a proud Gen Xer who works his tail off and makes lots of money.

I just happened to stumble on this sight, and is refreshing that so many people feel what I have always felt: Generation X is the "bridge" between traditional families with stay at home moms, and a younger generation of kids growing up in a more "modern" world. We were the latch key kids, the kids home before there was "daycare," the kids who learned to fend for themselves.

Over the years I have mentioned to my parents that I do love them, but it is the Baby Boomers that have messed up everything. They were born into the safest, most prosperous time in world history, and have allowed our economy, our dollar, our standing in the world to crumble. When history looks back on America in a 100 years or so, they will see the decline of our country and society started and progressed with the boomers.

Boomers are by far in away the most selfish generation in the history of the world. And to say our generation is lost, I am very in tune with everything that is happening, has happened and have a good idea of what will be happening, as in all my life. I will continue to take care of my own, work hard and always hold content against the boomers.

As soon as that greedy, selfish generation dies off, we can become an economically strong country again. And for you boomers, your parents hold you in contempt, and so do your children, you selfish, take take take losers.

Im a Gen X er. I like pot and I hate work. A baby boomer once said to me he had three jobs at the same time. Yeah. Okay.

Generation Y starts with 1982, those graduating high school in 2000. Generation X with 1981. Read the books by researchers Howe and Strauss, including The 13th Generation. Books written by those born in the middle of Generation X are a bit biased. They love to not include those at the end of Generation X. The MTV generation overlaps with the end of Gen. X (1981) and early Gen. Yers, up to 1984 I think.

Generation Y are called The Millennials. I was born in 1981 and graduated high school in 1999. I was always called the last of Generation X. I have a best friend who was born in 1982, and her high school class was called The Millennials.

Well if Gen X was screwed over can you people imagine what it's like for *my* gen? Gen Y that is! My generation will be completely screwed.

Give me a break people! The only reason why baby boomers are complaining about my generation is because their generation made it difficult to get decent health care, social security, and retirement. True, we all have "McJobs", but you also gave us Bernie Madoff! And as far as your standing up for "civil rights"; the baby boomers were nothing more than poor little rich kids that were bored with mommy and daddies money they gave for college. Be afraid of a Berkely protester -- they might slap us with a lawsuit now. Instead of slapping us with a "toke or two". Oh, and the last Woodstock concert? Well, let's just say it was *our* generation, Gen X that gave your money grubbing hand a one finger-salute. You turned your own concert into Profitstock. So I think we got the last laugh. Thanks for nothing babies.

Gen Xers Elected the first minority president, not Gen Yers. We really need to recognized for more than being the lost generation!

Wow, there have been a lot of insightful things people had to say on here. Honestly, and I think I am *very* tuned in, to whats happening, as a Gen Xer (b.1973) I really never realized the depth of content "we" had for the boomers. Although you guys are correct, it is no wonder we get left holding the &*#% end of the stick. Many older "wise" boomers tell me they are sorry for our Generation because the dollar goes nowhere. They bought houses for 30,000 real houses, I understand the money equation and all, but this "wise" boomers are loaded! And we really have nothing. The Generation after us The "Y" generation, who I refer to unaffectionatly as the "I" generation for there constant need for everything has to be instant are lost souls cause of the contempt of the Boomers in not caring for waht happens to us and it is evident to the I generation where they have no respect. They do need everything in an instant and then throw it away seconds later. Boy...we are the last of the true thinkers and dreamers of change. These "I" gens dont even care enough about social change unless it is posted on youtube. We are the last generation to be brought up without the internet. Think about it. That is huge! We actually played outside and had "real" friends, didn't have cable tv and acutally could field enough kids to play pick up baseball. Its all gone to hell. Down with Boomers, you guys are right, the greed I see everyday is directly from them, and it transposed itself on the I generation, and where are we, right in the middle with a damn conscience. G*D Bless Gen Xers!

I am in heaven reading this discussion about Generation X'ers. To the person who wrote that X'ers are a generation born crying and still crying... go suck your leftover LSD tabs in that bureau you picked up antiquing. If you're going to cut down the original latchkey generation - the kids left home alone to fend for themselves - then I can stereotype you too.

And to the person who pointed out that MLK was *not*a boomer, *thank you*! Boomers used their size advantage to do lots of things that basically amounted to "partying" - riots, sit-ins, communes, disrupting college campuses everywhere to basically goof off. Let's just say it! Boomers challenged authority with their tantrums and then turned around and - whoops - got old themselves and became exactly what they supposedly "worked hard" to dispel - authority.

When their little brothers and sisters (X'ers) came along in college and the workforce, they *complained* about our own attempts to defy authority - by pragmatically becoming the most highly-educated generation alive and resenting their big mouths by shutting up ourselves. They fed us a steady diet of arguing, one-uppedness, abandoning us while they enjoyed the "meeee" generation of the 70s, swinging and divorcing like it was the champagne and drugs they were slinging - all expendable. And they expected us to *like it*. meanwhile... they took every job out there and had their peers in the unions negotiate the best wages and as they got older, paid the X'ers on temp agency fees with no benefits and wondered why we were sullen and resentful. They are a generation unable and unwilling to look at themselves in anything other than rose-colored glasses. Thanks for letting me get that off my chest. I will look for your book, Andrew!

I feel like a part of generation X, that is trapped in a present teenager's body.

We Gen X-ers contributed to society by questioning authority and tradition (so as to confirm or deny the value of such)and balancing out the excesses of the Boomers. Discouragement was formed in us by less opportunities, but we can still capitalize on the needs and wants of the Boomers and choose to control these offerings (thus controlling them for a change)according to our individual situations.

We also need to lead Boomers and young Gen Ys through using newer technologies more wisely to create abundant opportunities to make real and lasting differences in our world. Generation X could be the ultimate bridging or cross-over(X) generation, to a near perfectly balanced world, focused on what really matters in life (closer to paradise that we all are evolving towards).

I just turned 40 - the middle of Gen X. I hope the generation that comes into positions of power will be motivated by something more than self-interest and greed. Is it unfortunate that Gen X lived through two recessions and now faces another economic crash, or is the issue that our leaders don't care what their children face, or is it that human nature is what it is and we all need to evolve emotionally?

I have seen and heard enough in my life. I've read about the 'slackers'. Knowing what I know now, I should have been a slacker and proud of it. What I consider a drain on the economy is the manipulation and greed by those that have more than most. If I have run out of patience as a Gen Xer, I am sure that I am not the only one. Finally, I will say that any trust or respect I had for the parents of my generation is gone and couldn't be earned in a lifetime. I will say the same for big business and politics run by what can only be considered leaders with psychopathic qualities.

We Generation X'ers are tired of the scraps left behind from the Baby Boomers. They will bleed the United States dry; they have had *many* years of working and will still work until they are forced to retire. Then the Boomers will nurse Social Security and Medicare bankrupt. When I graduated as a secondary teacher in 1990 there were no public school teaching jobs in Michigan or Ohio; women aged 45 held tight onto their "golden" school teacher job with all the perks and benefits. I am happy to hear about the employees who are now being forced to retire at age 55 plus because they are too old and make too much money. Welcome to the world of Generation X when we graduated from universities. I am 42 years old and am confident I will never see a dime that I have paid into Social Security. Generation X had so very little to look forward to when we got our degrees and first real jobs and have no future at retirement age. The Boomers have Busted this nation. It doesn't matter which president was/is in office (Clinton, Bush or Obama); Gen X members are expected to *pay* and will inherit the deficit.

I just have to say that boomers seem to be about the most self involved bunch of folks I've ever seen. They criticized their parents who fought and won WWII, then they criticized their younger siblings who inherited a world from them dominated by selfishness, drugs, AIDS and a sense of malaise. Contrary to their own assertions, the civil rights movement was driven by their predecessors (MLK was not a boomer, for example), and the Vietnam war ended not because of a bunch of protesting hippies, but rather because the middle class got tired of having their sons die overseas while they watched it on the TV news. As a Gen Xer I have no doubt that boomers are a group of ineffectual blowhards. Hopefully the departure of W signals the beginning of their exit from public life. Then maybe we can actually get some stuff done without constant battles over lifestyle issues that have no bearing on anything important, or questions about whether someone inhaled or not.

I think the article is "right on." We raised two young men who are part of Generation X, and instead of displaying gratitude for providing them with an education, both graduated from a major university, all we hear is "what can you do for me today." They submit lame excuses for their lack of identity and truly believe that Generation X has an attitude that speaks to the "we want what you have and we want it now" mentality. They were crying when the X'ers came into the world and they're still crying.

This looks like an interesting read, Andrew. Of course, people our age can't really fathom "retirement". :) I will probably have to work until I die! I have witnessed first hand the greed when it comes to entitlements (like social security) and the "active adult" population. Working little enough to squeeze every dollar they can out of the system until they can make as much money as they can and get 100% benefits. If you can work, WORK. If you can't, draw your social security and create a job opening for someone who isn't qualified to get those benefits. That's my fifty cent and soapbox.

Fellow Gen Xers,

I just wanted to make sure you were aware of my new book, Leisureville, because I think you may find the topic of interest. Leisureville is about the proliferation of age-segregated ("active adult") retirement communities for people in their 50s and 60s. Children may visit, but their guest passes time out much like international visas, after which time they are basically reduced to the status of human contraband. In the book, I trace the history of this phenomenon to the Arizona desert of the 1950s, as well as profile the world's largest gated retirement community in Florida. It's called The Villages and it is nearly twice the size of Manhattan, will have a population of more than 110,000, and no children are allowed.

The growth of leisurevilles represents nothing less than a revolution in our societal living arrangements as well as the intersection of many themes that define us today: manufactured leisure and convenience, segregation, escapism, sprawl, fortressing, government by contract, and more. Twelve million Americans are expected to move to leisurevilles in the coming decade or so, and that's a very conservative estimate. This is not a sunbelt phenomenon -- the majority of leisurevilles are now being built in the North, outside major cities like San Francisco, Chicago and Philadelphia. Leisurevilles typically form large voting blocks that vote down school budgets, and age-segregation is often used as a tool to keep out minorities.

Look for reviews in the New York Times Sunday Book Review, and The Washington Post Book World.

Best Wishes,

Andrew

we gen xers have seen the baby boomers get everything from life they had and have the good jobs they have the good retirements not some 401 k that you get a few thousand dollars for a lifetime of work we are also left holding the bag as they now give away the rest of our future to other countries like china or trying to give illegal aliens what is left for us i cannot tell you how many times i have had a baby boomer ask me well what will you do if something happens to you they dont seem to get that they have gotten all the good out of this country and there's not much left for us and yes compared to baby boomers we got a lousy education so no wonder we are apathetic

Also, many people of Generation X didn't have to fight for their rights in the same kind of way as their parents and grandparents. They didn't see "honorable" wars like World War II, but lived with the aftermath of Vietnam and the messiness of the Cold War. I think that Gen Xers really never had the chance to have a lot of respect for and trust in their government, which, if you think abut it, is a sad thing and explains a lot about them...